Everything Old Is New Again: The “Emergence” Of Altporn

Despite our conviction that altporn is dead (kidding! Sort of!), it was still nice to see the San Francisco Bay Guardian doing a piece on one of our favorite porn trends.

Or would have been, had they managed to get any of the facts right. Some of our favorite fuck ups:

In a weird porn-imitating-life-imitating-porn switch, two big stars of altporn, Sasha Grey and Charlotte Stokely, currently star in campaigns for American Apparel.

Someone please transport us to the world in which Sasha Grey and Charlotte Stokely are altporn stars. No, seriously—we would have loved to have, ahem, worked with them during our own altporn days.

What’s the next big thing in altporn? Hipsters.

Also, while you’re at it, please transport us to the world where Terry Richardson never existed.

It seems like everything is getting hipstered out these days. From clothing to music to even the rebranding of the Pepsi logo, everything is getting a hipster makeover. Porn is no exception. If you look at the logo for Vivid Alt, you’ll notice that it’s tricked out to resemble an Urban Outfitters catalog. In the videos, the actresses are decked out in American Apparel. Hipster culture subsumes and dismantles the aesthetics of popular culture, appropriates its sincerity, and transforms it into a pastiche of irony. Likewise, hipster porn subsumes and dismantles the aesthetics of hipster culture, appropriates its irony, and transforms it into something utterly sincere: porn.

We refuse to offer comment on this. It can stand on its own.

And on that note, we now return you to your regularly scheduled smut.

· Isn’t it ironic? (sfbg.com)
· Thumbnail mindfuck: Apathy creates hipster altporn three years before its “emergence” (suicidegirls.com)

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  • Snowbunny

    “Alt porn stars are sometimes brunettes! So progressive! In an industry flooded with beached head bobbing, alternative hair color choices are, well, alt porn-ey. Sometimes, believe it or not, alt porn stars DON’T have fake boobs.” The world cannot handle such progression.

  • AmeliaG

    Fleshbot sometimes tags Sasha Grey or Charlotte Stokely posts as altporn. Sasha Grey is certainly a star and has appeared on Blue Blood, Burning Angel, and Razordolls and I think possibly Vivid Alt too. I’m less familiar with Charlotte Stokely, but hasn’t she done both Burning Angel and Vivid Alt?

    What, besides who they have worked with, would be a good way for defining which performers count in the genre? (Not a rhetorical question.)

  • lazerbunny!

    2009 is new. So is AltPorn.
    Altporn is something that is constantly changing, like fetish adding new genres or niche categorization. Altporn was not created by anyone, this is where people that make alt-porn or alt-erotica get confused…If you want to know the real truth of the matter the original Bizarre Magazine created altporn and Bang Bus was the first altporn site on the net ..creating funny “different and innovative” scenes that had a major impact on mainstream, the internet,alternative and porn in general. Alterotica is not Altporn no different than if you put the comparison into action with mainstream. Lux said in an interview that I cant find right now (maybe she can help) that AltPorn is anything innovative and differs from mainstream.. and I agree with that.
    Digital Playground uses ALOT of altporn stars and they make highly stylized movies, with alot of detail and attention to artistic design. hmmmmm … secret altporn?

    Three years ago i was making photosets intentionally to look like american apparel advertising as a way to poke fun at the mainstream for it obvious denial of taboo and pornography in advertising. Big deal, didnt you see it coming? Its nothing new.
    What I do is altporn, I also do alterotica, however i do not always have tattooed goth chicks or punk rock girls. I cast models for lots of reasons as a director.I have also been known to cast models that were not accepted by other sites because they did not have enough tattoos, or piercings, or green hair..so they weren’t ‘alt’ enough and model applications were denied. The models are open minded,interesting people that want to create something alternative to mainstream. Isn’t THAT alt? I know a girl that doesn’t have any tattoos and made her website herself and takes her own photos, thats just as alt as any ‘major player’ I’ve heard it called. Although that is not innovative or new… what makes it altPORN is the fact that the girl gets fucked in scenes and in photos, she likes interesting stuff,has a blog that she actually writes herself, and she’s independent. Some ‘altporn’ sites are funded by mainstream companies, take ad money from huge companies and claim to be so ‘indie’.
    I know someone else that produces their own alterotica site and just takes pretty pictures with a photographer..they both have their place in alternative pornography.
    Getting back to the point, alternative pornography is anything that is not created in a typical way, with typical scenes, typical models and the usual. Which by this point is a faded idea in itself, because altporn is certainly not dead, its mainstream.
    Alt models do a lot of mainstream work and bring their attitude with them, its proven time and time again that even in a mainstream scene an alt star will make it different and more interesting. Fact is Sasha was an alt star the entire time because shes the “thinking mans porn star’ she’s smart and interesting. She agrees with artistic value and likes pervy slutty pornography and is a great performer. Thats about as alt as it gets. Mainstream ads, and movies will embrace her because she is a better model than 7 out of 10 models that appear in crappy american advertising. She’s also famous…and that helps.
    Personally, I think that the overdone same old same old is really kind of boring.
    I was bored with all of that a very long time ago.
    Lazerbunny has been promoting REAL girls in alt since we started the site.
    I think that more alt models appear in mainstream ads,videos, and acting than you might realize. Aside from that mainstream media is popularizing fetish, and alternative porn on network tv. Does that decrease the alt’ness’ of alt? Because fleshbot is part of a really popular network of sites does that mean its any less credible? of course not, it also doesn’t mean its more credible. The internet and advertising and branding are all really basic and obvious, make yours seem like the best. Be the person that brings it to the table. Who is anyone to say what anything is, or who counts? Opinion is not fact and one person might think that Janes Addiction is ‘alternative music’ and other people might just think that band was Rock n Roll.
    Our newest Alt Network site launched a week or so ago after a few months of development
    [altpornstar.com] intends to tackle this very question as a matter of fact, with lots of reviews, articles and insight into mainstream vs. alt and erotica vs. porn. Tts all opinion and there’s no definitive answers.. Everyone Counts.

  • lazerbunny!

    :) do your homework sinead.

  • lazerbunny!

    @undefined: bang bus is totally alt. :P don’t even get me started on bang bait. omg.

  • Anonymous

    I’m really not certain how something going through the hipster grind is some sort of refinement. It’s not like hipsters are some kind of high-reaching priests of fine thought and talent –

    At least no more than anyone else.

    Hipsterdom aside, it’s not like they’re injecting any merit to a work. If a piece of porn lacked sincerity to begin with, it’s not going to GAIN any from being sipped, mixed with udon, fondled, and picked for “irony”.

    If you like chicks with tattoos, piercings, funny hair colors, and the cute-chick-from-art-class look, go for it. If you go for queer porn, for it. If that’s too spicy for you, SuicideGirls isn’t really alt, but I guess it’s more alt than some of the stuff I saw in the 90′s.

    But I guess that’s all what alt porn isn’t. Maybe it’s better to take a shot at what it IS. To posit the best definition of the now: “alt” porn is well-shot queer porn, the kind without a hairy man-tree be seen at the end of a girl-girl scene.

    (It’s called “queer” for a reason, doorknob*.)

    *I’m looking at you, Helms.